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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby Mr.Punch » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:43 pm

Youth. Cos Raven is no more. \:cry:\ \
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The original Band is fucking magic. Proved on the recent Tour. I saw them in nearly any carnation except with Atkins, and the original cast, until now.\
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Ravens contributions can`t be rateed highly enough, no doubts....but here with Youth it´s yeah, magic.\
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And at least, my alltime fav Albums are all with Youth...1,WTF..,Revelations,Pandemonium, KJ 03...
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby cyrilgrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:18 pm

NOF wrote:I'm sorry to hear that. Love of Them Asses is pretty kerap.
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Ohhh- Love of the Masses is one of the best songs on Brighter. Granted, it sounds 80's, but GOOOD 80's. Next to Rubicon, Adorations and all the b-sides (Exile, Ecstacy, Etc.), Love of the Masses is intense.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby cyrilgrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:21 pm

Oh, but I'll always be a Raven fan first. Killing Joke is about power for me, and Raven's Bass was always driving hard. Youth was always the funky banana. He belongs with Gang of Four or the Fall, not Killing Joke.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby SPURMEON » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:23 pm

Youth, saw both and met both. Raven was a really nice genuine bloke but Youth was there at the start. Different band with Youth and the band I fell in love with.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby NOF » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:07 am

cyrilgrey wrote:Oh, but I'll always be a Raven fan first. Killing Joke is about power for me, and Raven's Bass was always driving hard. Youth was always the funky banana. He belongs with Gang of Four or the Fall, not Killing Joke.
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But Killing Joke started off playing (essentialy) dub reggae: Turn to Red, Nervous System, Animal, Bread & Jam. That's what seperates them from the likes of Ministry and KMFDM (although I love both): they always had a richer background to draw from instead of just hammering away.\
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Plus Gang of Four and the Fall weren't too dissimilar from early Killing Joke as they shared similar outlooks and influences.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby NOF » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:16 am

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Let's compare albums.\
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Yoof:\
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Killing Joke (1980)\
What's This For...!\
Revelations\
Pandaemonium\
Democracy\
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Four albums that are considered stone cold classics by fans. And an album that also stands out in the canon as being a bit of an oddball.\
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Raven:\
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Fire Dances\
Night Time\
Brighter Than A Thousand Suns\
Outside the Gate\
Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions\
Hosannas from the Basement of Hell\
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Three utter stinkers according to fans. Three that straddle a line between commercialism and somewhat by the numbers Joke.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby cyrilgrey » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:40 am

Starting out Dub Reggae is fine, but I prefer the heavier stuff. I mean, Jaz's voice works better with dark stuff. Gang of Four and the Fall are not as dark, that is why Youth would fit them better IMO. I know how each band has led to another ie. killing joke influincing Ministry, so pointing that out is not needed.\
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Besides, this is MY opinion. If the majority considers 1980, What's this For and Revelations the best albums does not mean I do. In fact I prefer 2003, Night Time, Revelations, pretty much all of them except OtG. 1980 and WtF? are definately low on my scale. If the "majority" disagrees, who cares? I like what I like. \:D\
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby Sapromind » Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:52 am

By the way, as far as I know, Raven didn't do Outside the Gate.
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby NOF » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:14 am

Sapromind wrote:By the way, as far as I know, Raven didn't do Outside the Gate.
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Oh yes he did.\
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Re: Favourite KJ bassist

Postby Bluce_Ree » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:53 pm

Answer = Geordie.\
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Youth's basslines on WFT and Revs are, at times, incredible. The perfect accompaniment to Geordie's riffs. Too perfect. Geordie wrote them. You can tell.\
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Youth then comes back in the 90s as a big shot producer and drops two albums of absolutely nothingy bass. Also, his playing on the WFT material during the recent tour simplified the already simple basslines.\
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Raven was great live and had moments but half the albums he played on were rubbish.
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